Discussion: A New Era of Service?

How important do you consider the revival and expansion of national service? Might national service opportunities generally, and Encore Fellowships specifically, help people make the transition to their encore careers? How could the service experience be improved and made more relevant to older adults?

Service Work & Question re Educational Product

I currently serve as a Town Board member and applaud the individual who is working to steer his community toward a sustainable future. It is a daunting task and needs the engagement of us all.

Earlier in my public career, I received a grant to develop a curriculum for inclusion in high school government classes re participation in local government. It received an award from the NYS Dept of Ed, but I was stymied in my efforts to get it into more than my local high school. Anyone have any ideas how this could be advanced? The learning curve for local officials is huge and it should be something we are teaching our children from an early age.

I'd be greatful if anyone has any ideas.

service need not be a stigma

As someone famously once said "a service is a service is a service"....it seems to me that being part of a service that is deemed important by local leaders and federal leaders adds to the value created and is more fulfilling....for example, i am the Chair of our Town's Energy Advisory Panel which is trying to navigate our transformation into a sustainable, green town.....very important, collaborative and complex......the "service" I am providing my community is built on 44 years of corporate life and mutaully satisfying

How are you serving your country and community?

Herb and Deborah, thanks so much for your comments! Encore.org would love to hear more stories like yours. Herb, I especially like your descrpition of the Advisory Panel's impact: "trying to navigate our transformation into a sustainable, green town" and the importance of the 44 years of experience you're bringing to this complex work!

no big deal

Thanks Michelle........I appreciate your comments but we are but one of 500 towns in the USA who are following the ICLEI model of sustainability......I don't want you to think that I am something special....in fact there is a whole army out there doing valuable community based "service" that needs only direction and resources.

Take the negative out of community service

One of the other problems with community service beyond the youth factor is the negative connotations that service is a penalty for doing something wrong. Misdemeanors often receive a sentencing of so many days or hours or community service, for example.

Someone mentioned the negative perception of a year off doing service as something on a resume to have to be explained away, almost like a penalty for bad behavior.

How can we remove this stigma of service being what you do when something goes wrong in your life to a core part of career development, not to mention character development? This is something this administration could do that would really change the dynamics around giving service.

deb

Why It¹s Wrong to Assume that All Service Participants are Young

Amy Potthast, who runs the very helpful blog The New Service, has a terrific post on why it's important to expand the perception (and reality!) of national service to include older adults.

She concludes: "People in the service community have to step up too, to broaden the call to serve to the rising generation, as well as to people who were around to answer President Kennedy’s call back in the early 60s, and everyone in between."

See: Why It¹s Wrong to Assume that All Service Participants are Young.

David Bank
Editor, Encore.org

The Future of National Service: For All Ages

Thanks so much to Amy Potthast for this terrific post. Those of you who are interested in Amy's comments may also want to know about the Senate's HELP committee hearing on national service scheduled for tomorrow afternoon: http://help.senate.gov/Hearings/2009_03_10_b/2009_03_10_b.html

There's a truly terrific lineup scheduled to testify, including new Experience Corps CEO Lester Strong!

Response to Dan Koch

Sue Schloth
Having changed careers several times in my life, I think that there has to be the assumption that there is a hard upward-climb for awhile, then with support from others like ENCORE, you soar like an eagle. Dan, may I suggest that you "take a chance" and not overwork this mentally for too long, dwelling on the potential unfairness , etc. Setting goals and finding support is the most important in this process as we age. Good Luck!

service

I am really excited by the nature of this discussion and by the attention now being given to eliminating a terrible waste in this country: the minds and experiences of those of us in our fifties and older. I left the corporate world 12 years ago, deterred by the profit maximizing dogma but paradoxically enriched enough by it to pursue other things such as a PhD. one of the most frustrating things i found was the lack of effective ways for me to give back, to do something productive and encorish, hence the PhD. So now i am thrilled that we see all kinds of avenues opening up. In addition to the PhD, i started a Not for Profit but my dissertation described the hybridization of for profit/not for profits into corporations that "Do Good and Make Money". Just this past week i have accepted the CEO, Chair of a small corporation, still in startup phase that i intend to move to serve as a model of the corporation for what i call the New Era. The corporation produces product and services to help kids and adults connect in a values-building exercise so we do good and make money but we also buy locally to create jobs, put a part of every revenue dollar into a foundation to further the efforts of values based initiatives.
To save our entitilement programs, Americans need to work. To create the climate and culture of service, responsibility innovation and engagement, we need to shift our values paradigm. To create a new economy, we need to all be in the game. At 58 i fully expect the next 12 years to be the richest and most rewarding of my life. Now the 12 years after that, I am just beginning to dream....

hybrids but not priuses

Deb,
you have done what many have only dreamed about.....i was working for a NFP which, because of an excellent track record, is beginning to think about a hybrid scenario and possibly splitting into a For Profit entity in addition to the NFP original entity..........this I believe is a common aspect of a well managed NFP is they are in a growing segment......but financial constraints preven investing where the opportunity is......want to discuss?

hybrids

sure, my telephone number is 813 9615480. Give me a call. we are going to embed a 501 (c) 3 in our C Corp. i got some of my ideas back in 2003-4 when working on my dissertation from Google. they funded a $1 Billion For Profit Philanthropy Google.Org that also has a traditional foundation in it. so let's talk when you have a chance--i am in Florida so on east coast time.

deb

national service opportunities / encore career transitions

As a XPCV, I have been living a life of volunteerism for a long time. I was inspired in my late 1950's high school to look at the Peace Corps as a chance to give back to the community as well as exercise a considerable wanderlust and curiousity about the world. My bloodline seems to have community service imprinted in its DNA; both of my grandfathers ( both were immigrants ) were known in their day as ones who lead their communities in organizing what would be today called 'non-profit organizations". My maternal grandfather was famous in a previous generation for founding a major hospital especially to serve the immigrant population of Chicago. Somehow their drive to be supports for the internal health of their local communities has come down to me, and I can only acknowledge its living presence in my life
Now I am pondering the current stage of my life and what I can do to plan for the next stage, and it is very hard. IF I want to return to teaching, outside of the field for which I once received graduate degrees, I would have to go back as an undergraduate and earn a second BA, or so I have been lead to believe, and also sit through loads of fatuous "education courses". Nowhere there has appeared alternative paths to a teaching certification that would take into account individuality and seniority.
I would propose introducing an alternative teaching certification path specifically for male seniors wishing to embark on a teaching career. Some academic preparation would be involved but this program would also involve a period of student teaching in academic areas and regions where there is need.
After teacher certification is achieved, then the new teacher would have some experience in working in the field and contributing to national service
I would appreciate feedback on this program. Dan Koch

Useful national web links on teacher certification

Editor's note: more useful info from Judy Goggin, Vice President, Civic Ventures.

Certification requirements are set individually by states and some have reciprocal agreements to accept one another’s certification processes.

Some useful information about teacher certification is available through the Troops to Teachers website:
http://www.dantes.doded.mil/DANTES_WEB/troopstoteachers/RECIP-text.asp

Another good source for info about reciprocal agreements among states is the National Association of State Directors of Teacher Education and Certification. The following link provides information about the exact relationships among the states: http://www.nasdtec.org/agreement.tpl

Another online source for alternative pathways to teacher certification is TeachNow.org http://www.teach-now.org/ hosted by the National Center for Alternative Teacher Certification

David Bank
Editor, Encore.org

national service opportunities / encore career transitions

CathyS997
There might be additional ways to teach besides the traditional classroom. Tutoring, after school programs, community based programs for children may provide a place to start. The Sherry Lansing Foundation seeks professionals to volunteer to help in LA school district.

If you have a burning desire to go back to get a teaching certificate, I say go for it. But, I wouldn't recommend it, just to get in the classroom. More or more programs are being developed to utilize the encore energy and knowledge in non-traditional ways.

We need to identify what they are or how to develop them in different locations.

certification to teach

Look into the long-distance programs offered by Western Governors University. It is a totally on-line school, and one of its best recommendations is that it has the founder of Google on its board. I did the first year of a Language Arts MA program with them and found it meaty and rewarding. They have a very effective mentoring system, and your calendar is based on the idea that you are in the real world, not on a campus with a semester system. It might work for you.
Jane Steinberg

Dan Koch

Sue Schloth

Please check out my response on the Ted Kennedy page. I am a new user and am a little confused but I tried to leave a helpful response to your query!
Sue S.

P.S.
You have to know ahead of time that it may be a long search to find something satisfying but this discussion means that you are NOT alone and there are many of us out there struggling along with you!

teaching

anything we can do to remove the administrative hurdles for an experienced, competent professional to become a teacher will be good for this country not to mention the student population

national service opportunities

I think an alternative teaching certification path for both males and females would be a great way to re-inforce our shrinking teacher shortage in the United States.

roseyogrady

A New Idea for Certification

Editor's note: Judy Goggin, a vice president at Civic Ventures, posted this note earlier at http://www.encore.org/news/encore-teachers-classroo#comment-396

Mathematica Policy Research, Inc. published a report in June, 2008 on the Passport to Teaching program http://www.mathematica-mpr.com/publications/pdfs/passportteaching.pdf

It’s a new pathway for certifying teachers but it’s only accepted in seven states so far. The project attempts to address some of the certification issues raised in this stream of comments by creating a nationally recognized, portable, high quality pathway to teacher certification.

“The American Board Passport to Teaching certification (ABCTE) was formed through a grant from the U.S. Department of Education (ED) to develop an alternative certification for teachers who needed to earn certification as well as for professionals seeking to change careers and become teachers. The goal was then and continues to be to provide an affordable, flexible, and high-quality route to certification that is also nationally recognized and portable. Unlike many other alternative routes to certification, ABCTE does not require any formal course work or classroom-teaching practice prior to certification. Rather, the certification centers on a set of exams, one in content and one in pedagogy.”
David Bank
Editor, Encore.org